“He said to me that it is a pity that we are meeting under the circumstances. He said there was a rumour he has heard from two sources that I have been badmouthing him and his business associates.
“I understood the associates to mean the Gupta brothers. He then said to me he told his father the story. He suggested meeting Ajay Gupta for me to explain. I said: ‘I owe Ajay Gupta nothing’.”
Ramatlhodi said the meeting happened around the end of 2014. “He wanted to me to explain to Ajay Gupta that I did not badmouth them.
“My own reflection is that they have been trying to meet me for a long time and I was refusing, so they had to create a story,” Ramatlhodi said.
He said the Guptas also requested a meeting with him via his then special advisor, Sam Muofhe. This was also declined.
Ramatlhodi’s testimony is continuing.