{"id":366668,"date":"2011-04-04T13:12:30","date_gmt":"2011-04-04T13:12:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ghanamma.net\/2011\/04\/04\/the-truth-about-ges-tax-bill\/"},"modified":"2011-04-04T13:12:30","modified_gmt":"2011-04-04T13:12:30","slug":"the-truth-about-ges-tax-bill","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ghanamma.com\/2011\/04\/04\/the-truth-about-ges-tax-bill\/","title":{"rendered":"The truth about GE&#8217;s tax bill"},"content":{"rendered":"<div readability=\"213.85470508223\">\n<p><strong>Did  GE pay U.S. income taxes in 2010? The company known for minimizing its  tax bill made a muddled situation worse responding to a <em>New York Times<\/em> report suggesting it might get a refund. GE now says it has a small tax liability for 2010. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>By Allan Sloan, senior editor-at-large, Fortune, and Jeff Gerth, senior reporter, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.propublica.org\">ProPublica<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/fortunefeatures.files.wordpress.com\/2011\/04\/general_electric_hq_sign.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-4380\" title=\"general_electric_hq_sign\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ghanamma.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/85f7dda9ric_hq_sign.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"GE taxes\" width=\"300\" height=\"231\" \/><\/a>FORTUNE &#8211; There&#8217;s a heated debate over General Electric&#8217;s taxes in places ranging from the front page of the <em>New York Times<\/em> to the blogosphere to, of all places, <em>The Daily Show<\/em>. In the 10 days since the <em>Times <\/em> touched off this debate, what started out as something resembling a  conversation has degenerated into posturing, name-calling, and  shrieking. So, did GE really not pay any income taxes on a $5.1 billion  U.S. profit last year? Is it really getting a tax refund?<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re  going to try to answer these questions. We&#8217;ll also show you some things  that we&#8217;ve learned about GE that few people outside the company and the  insular world of tax techies know. The <em>Times<\/em>, of course, made GE and its tax gamesmanship a national issue with its <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2011\/03\/25\/business\/economy\/25tax.html\">agenda-setting piece<\/a> on March 25. (By the way, they beat us on the story; we&#8217;d been working  on it for months.) Unfortunately, for all its good work, the <em>Times<\/em> story  has created at least one major misperception &#8212; that GE paid no U.S.  income taxes last year and is actually getting a $3.2 billion refund  from the Treasury.<\/p>\n<p>The <em>Times&#8217;<\/em> own headline writers got that impression too. &#8220;GE Turns the Tax Man  Away Empty-Handed,&#8221; read the headline on early editions, including the <em>Times&#8217;<\/em> Washington edition, the version that politicians and the DC-based news  media and commentariat see. &#8220;GE&#8217;s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes  Altogether,&#8221; was the original head on nytimes.com, the version the  blogosphere reads.<\/p>\n<p>Those  headlines are based on the story&#8217;s third paragraph, which discusses  GE&#8217;s 2010 financial results. &#8220;Its American tax bill? None. In fact, GE  claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.&#8221; That seems to say that GE (<a href=\"http:\/\/money.cnn.com\/quote\/quote.html?symb=GE\">GE<\/a>) is  getting a tax refund for 2010 &#8212; but the words &#8220;tax benefit&#8221; are so  ambiguous that it&#8217;s not clear what they mean, and the article never  explains them, or mentions them again.<\/p>\n<p>By  the time a revised (and accurate) headline got slapped on the  later-edition print issues &#8212; &#8220;At GE on Tax Day, Billions of Reasons to  Smile&#8221; &#8212; the idea that the <em>Times<\/em> was saying that GE paid no U.S. income taxes and was getting a big refund was firmly implanted.<\/p>\n<p>GE  made a muddled situation worse by putting complicated, technical, and  lawyerly rebuttals on its website, tweeting them, tripping over itself,  and then proving unable to explain itself in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/ge-taxes-2010\">public exchanges<\/a> with the likes of Henry Blodget, proprietor of the widely followed Business Insider blog. Or in conversations with reporters.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we&#8217;ll give you brief answers to the main questions, but you&#8217;ll have to bear with us afterward for the full explanation.<\/p>\n<p>Did GE get a $3.2 billion tax refund? No.<\/p>\n<p>Did  GE pay U.S. income taxes in 2010? Yes, it paid estimated taxes for  2010, and also made payments for previous years. Think of it as your  having paid withholding taxes on your salary in 2010, and sending the  IRS a check on April 15, 2010, covering your balance owed for 2009.<\/p>\n<p>Will GE ultimately pay U.S. income taxes for  2010? After much to-ing and fro-ing &#8212; the company says it hasn&#8217;t  completed its 2010 tax return &#8212; GE now says that it will pay tax. (For more on GE&#8217;s tax strategies, see <a href=\"http:\/\/features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com\/2011\/04\/04\/ges-taxes-a-case-study\">GE&#8217;s taxes: A case study<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>Why  should you care about this? Because we all have a stake in how this  plays out. Thanks to the uproar over GE, we now risk ending up with  legislation that targets GE but produces all sorts of unintended  consequences. Public rage can make for bad law. For example, the  Alternative Minimum Tax was adopted in 1969 amid an uproar generated by a  Treasury report that said 155 wealthy families had paid no income tax.  But the bill, badly designed and badly amended, has morphed into a mess  that affects millions of middle- and upper-middle-class families, but  not the really-high-income tax-minimizing families. They&#8217;re not affected  because the AMT fades out of the picture for families with income of  $600,000 and up.<\/p>\n<p>Now, let&#8217;s take it from the top, slowly, and sort this all out.<\/p>\n<p>GE&#8217;s 2010 financial statements reported a $3.25 billion U.S. &#8220;current tax benefit,&#8221; which is where the <em>Times<\/em>,  which declined comment, got its $3.2 billion &#8220;tax benefit&#8221; number. But a  company&#8217;s &#8220;current tax&#8221; number has nothing to do with what it actually  pays in taxes for a given year. &#8220;Current tax benefit&#8221; and &#8220;current tax  expense&#8221; are so-called financial reporting numbers, used to calculate  the profits a company reports to shareholders.<\/p>\n<p>They  have nothing to do with what a company sends to (or receives from) the  IRS. &#8220;Any correlation between the &#8216;current tax expense&#8217; and the current  tax payable is likely coincidental,&#8221; says a leading tax authority, Ed  Outslay, Deloitte\/Michael Licata professor of accounting at Michigan  State University&#8217;s business school.<\/p>\n<p>After  repeated conversations with GE &#8212; remember, we&#8217;ve been working on this  story too &#8212; we can finally give you reasonably definitive answers.<\/p>\n<p>The  company says that it&#8217;s not getting any refund for 2010 &#8212; validating  Outslay&#8217;s analysis. Its 2010 tax situation? &#8220;We expect to have a small  U.S. income tax liability for 2010,&#8221; GE chief spokesman Gary Sheffer  told us. How big is small? GE declined to say. The number is unlikely to  ever be disclosed unless GE goes public with it, or is forced to do so.<\/p>\n<p>One reason the Times  got ensnared &#8212; and that it took us a while to figure things out &#8212; is  that the material is confusing. Professor Outslay drew up 10 GE tax metrics for us <a href=\"http:\/\/fortunefeatures.files.wordpress.com\/2011\/04\/ge-taxes1.xls\">(see the spreadsheet here)<\/a>, and could have given us  at least six more. None of them show what GE&#8217;s U.S. income tax bill is  for a given year. (See also <a href=\"http:\/\/www.propublica.org\/article\/5-ways-ge-plays-the-tax-game\">5 ways GE plays the tax game<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re certainly not trying to denigrate the <em>Times<\/em>.  (Full disclosure: Co-author Jeff Gerth worked there for 30 years,  co-author Allan Sloan once aspired to work there, ProPublica articles  sometimes appear there.) We&#8217;re certainly not siding with GE, which for  decades has been an aggressive tax-minimizer, and could have averted  this mess by explaining things simply and clearly to the <em>Times<\/em> and us and others. It either couldn&#8217;t or wouldn&#8217;t do so.<\/p>\n<p>Okay. So instead of chewing over GE and the <em>Times<\/em> endlessly, let&#8217;s look at the big picture.<\/p>\n<p>For  the first time in a long while, corporate taxes are actually a hot  topic &#8212; one that non-business types care about. Corporate tax reform  was already in the air; now it&#8217;s supercharged.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s  been 25 years since the last big tax reform legislation, which cut the  corporate rate to 34% from 46% and eliminated a lot of deductions and  tax breaks. But a quarter-century of pushing by businesses &#8212; of which  GE has been among the most aggressive &#8212; has left us with both the lower  tax rate (now 35%) and lots more deductions and shelters and other  tax-reducing tactics than the 1986 legislation envisioned. GE&#8217;s current  idea of &#8220;reform&#8221; as expounded by John Samuels, the head of its tax  department, is to cut the rate, but to allow some of GE&#8217;s major  tax-minimizing maneuvers to remain in place. It&#8217;s hard to imagine  anything like that happening now.<\/p>\n<p>Samuels  said at a tax forum in February that GE needs a tax system that will  let it compete effectively with giant, foreign-based multinationals like  Mitsubishi, Siemens (<a href=\"http:\/\/money.cnn.com\/quote\/quote.html?symb=SI\">SI<\/a>), and Phillips. However, their effective tax rates  for earnings purposes last year were 40%, 31% and 26% respectively,  compared with 7% for GE. (GE says its tax rate&#8217;s been artificially low  the past few years, and will soon rise.)<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ve  already had more than enough heat about corporate taxes. What we need  now is some light. And an appreciation that this problem, like GE&#8217;s tax  situation, is more complicated than the screamers  would have us believe.<\/p>\n<p><em>This article was reported jointly with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.propublica.org\/article\/setting-the-record-straight-on-ges-taxes\">ProPublica<\/a>, an independent, non-profit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>For more, see <a href=\"http:\/\/features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com\/2011\/04\/04\/ges-taxes-a-case-study\">GE&#8217;s taxes: A case study<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.propublica.org\/article\/5-ways-ge-plays-the-tax-game\">5 ways GE plays the tax game<\/a><\/strong>.<em><br \/><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span><\/span><span><\/span><span><\/span>\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ghanamma.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/85f7dda9ric_hq_sign.jpg-150x150.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Read the original here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/rss.cnn.com\/~r\/rss\/money_topstories\/~3\/AvyD5eCsAiw\/\" title=\"The truth about GE's tax bill\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The truth about GE&#8217;s tax bill<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Did GE pay U.S. income taxes in 2010? 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